Support Bob Barr 2008
Posted July 10th, 2008 by Hentvson
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Ok, I know that Barr is not perfect but now we must unite behind him, and further our message.
He is polling (according to a recent Zogby) at around 10% in some states. If we can get him high enough, he can get into national debates, and further our message. What he is running on now- is our message, and we need someone to carry the torch.
Barr is no Ron Paul, and I know that. It is naïve to expect that we will ever get another person exactly like Ron Paul, but the message that Barr is running on is a Ron Paul message. Even if he doesn’t win, our message will still be shouted.
I like Baldwin, don’t get me wrong- but the social issues are not in line what so ever with Ron Paul. As well as the fact he is not getting on nearly enough ballots to secure the Presidency.
If we split up now- we will pretty much give up on 2008, and if Ron Paul ever taught us anything- it was to fight for Liberty……and I know I will me marching hand and hand with thousands of others with Bob Barr, who is carrying our torch like it or not.
If you can lay down as we elect President Obama or McCain, then have fun- I refuse to do that. Support Liberty, Peace and Prosperity in 2008, support Bob Barr 2008.
PS- please do not call me a Barr Troll or any other crap because I was supporting Paul since the day he announced, and I put in hours on end to help the campaign. I was there from beginning to end, and I am now supporting a person who is an “Ally” of Ron Paul.
***Ron Paul called Bob Barr an ally of the freedom movement
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I Just Don't Know
I could vote for someone who was not a libertarian per sea, as long as they were a constitutionalist. For instance, Barr could oppose drug decrim in his home state of georgia, as long as he acknowledged that the federal drug war is not constitutional.
Barr favors an interventionist foreign policy. I don't hear him talking about getting rid of the Fed, or instituting gold/silver currency. I don't hear him say we need to abolish the IRS and replace it with nothing. He could deviate on an couple issues, I'm not looking for perfection, but he dieviates so much that he's not really even carrying "our mesage"
The main argument for voting for Barr is that getting 5-10% in many states will get the LP major party status, and will help real libertarians be much more viable in 2010 and 2012. It sends the message that the people view the LP, with its message of liberty, as the most viable alternative to the Demublicans, but sadly it also sends the message that Barr is a libertarian.
I may write in Ron Paul, not because I've drunk the kool aid and think that Ron Paul is Jesus come to earth, but because I legitimately think he's a better man for the job than Barr or Baldwin.
In New Hampshire, George Phillies will also be on the ballot as a libertarian, so I may vote for him. Barr's at 10% in NH, and 7% said "someone else". I wonder how many of them meant Phillies or Ron Paul. If 15% or more of the votes go to "libertarian"/ ron paul candidates, that indicates that the message is gaining ground.
I mean in a three way race, one can win with 34% of the vote. So if a third party candidate gets 17%, that means they have half of the votes they need to potentially pull off a win. I don't think a strong showing for Barr is a bad thing. I'd preffer to see him get 20% rather than 2%, but he has potential to damage the movement, and confuse people about what our core beliefs are.
In light of that, I'd find it very hard to cast my vote for him. If other people are in the same boat as me, please write in Ron Paul, rather than not vote. I really believe that if Ron Paul gets enough write ins to show up in the newspaper the next day, that sends a message that we're still out here.
Maybe its just me but does
Maybe its just me but does anyone find it ironic that the same people who bash Barr, seem to be the same ones that promote the DVD for delegate idea?
I'm not opposed to the idea of trying to convert delegates, its a hard job as most of these people do not want to be converted. But if we are to be consistent, shouldn't we then castigate those people who do convert? After all they once supported people, or in the case of many delegates, are elected officials themselves that have voted against the Constitution, surely these people are scum.
Maybe the DVD for delegate people should just send letters instead, telling these people they are anti-Constitution scum and that they will never EVER be welcomed by us - yeah that'll get us some liberty won't it.
"He that would make his own
"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression." - Thomas Paine
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Dr. Paul is being polite to Barr but he isn't behind him.
They may vote together on a "few" things but I KNOW I will not support Barr.
I will support Baldwin, he has the guts to stand up to the tyranny, if you can't see that you need to wake up.
We don't want someone some of the time, we want someone all of the time, thats Chuck Baldwin. A man with faith and conviction to do what's right.
Why do you think he is being ignored? The media, tv and radio, won't talk about him. Why is that? The Constitution party is even bigger then the Libertarian party, yet they won't talk about him? **WAKE UP!**
Consider these words from George Washington, the Father of our Nation, in his farewell speech on September 19, 1796:
"It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Of all the dispositions and habits that lead to political prosperity..
Not quite correct...
The constitution party claims it is bigger than the libertarians, but the numbers are inflated due to their association with the American Independant party in california - they simply do not have the infrastructure nationally that the libertarians posses - which is why Mr. Baldwin wont be on the ballot in all states, and some of the ones he will be on will be under different party names, such as the AIP, and in some states as independents.
It's still too early...
to endorse anyone. There won't be any debates until after the conventions, so Barr or Baldwin both have time to attain the "magic 15%". Meanwhile,
Chuck Baldwin attracts people who are not at all attracted to Barr. The key is to drive McCain's numbers so low, the party leadership asks him to "withdraw due to health reasons". They might do this if McCain's "negative coattails" endangers enough GOP officeholders (as is already happening in the Minnesota Senate race). Sure, the RNC cares nothing about principles; but without political influence, they'll have nothing to sell.
Guys
It's like the redcoats are coming and we are fist fighting each other over what ammunition to use. Are we this stupid? Support them all!
"The wicked flee when no man pursueth, but the righteous are as bold as a lion."
Sir, you are a joke. If you
Sir, you are a joke. If you want a list here you go!
Maxed out contributions to the Ron Paul 2008 campaign.
Bought 200 yard signs for Ohio- and froze while putting everyone of them out.
Paid to have a booth at my County Fair, and manned it for like 86 hours.
Canvassed every house I could.
Passed out lit- at parades, on street corners, fairs and festivels.
Circulated the pettetion to get him on the ballot here.
Made over 1,00 phone calls to Iowa- sent like 100 postcards.
wore one of Ron Paul shirts when ever I went to large public events.
Always wore my Ron Paul button.
Bought ads in 3 local papers.
and the list goes on and on. And I do indeed think you have wasted your money this year. Those delagates will not switch at this poit, it is naive to think so. Barr is an Ally to Paul, get over yourself- we all worked hard, but soem of us live in the REAL WORLD- now screw you buddy, I have to go to my JOB!
We Did Our Best for Paul, Now Barr is on the Front Line
Hentyson, I commend you. I also made the maximum contribution to the Ron Paul campaign and organized a Meetup Group for him. Our Meetup Group members passed out leaflets to Americans at the airport departing for the US and on the main street of Itaewan to American shoppers during the coldest week of January. But now the front line has moved. Ron Paul made the first charge. Now it is the second wave and Bob Barr and the Libertarians' turn to do the best they can in the General Election. Rally around and lets tell the world that Americans want liberty, peace, prosperity and we will not settle for the candidates that the Demopublicans foist on us. See www.bobbarr2008.com Lets get Bob Barr to 10% in the polls and into the debates. And then my friends, it will be a "whole different ball game." We can win this. Lets do it.
George Whitfield
Organizer, Seoul Ron Paul and Bob Barr Meetup Groups
I thought the idea was to vote people like this out of office
You know, the ones who vote to pass bad, unconstitutional bills like the (un)Patriot Act.
Bob Barr voted YES to pass the US (un)Patriot Act.
Bob Barr voted YES to pass the US (un)Patriot Act.
Bob Barr voted YES to pass the US (un)Patriot Act.
Bob Barr voted YES to pass the US (un)Patriot Act.
Bob Barr voted YES to pass the US (un)Patriot Act.
Bob Barr voted YES to pass the US (un)Patriot Act.
Get it? Here, let me say it again so you can understand...
Bob Barr voted YES to pass the US (un)Patriot Act.
He had his chance to use his vote the way he should have and he failed.
Actually Jeff, Barr voted AGAINST the Patriot Act on the first
On the first vote in the House he voted against the Patriot Act with Ron Paul, however they were outvoted and it passed, but Barr was invited to be on the compromise committee to work out the differences with the Senate Version and the house version (Ron Paul was not invited) and in order to be on that committee Barr had to promise to vote for the final version in that
committee - but he did read the act and made it weaker and was solely responsible for adding all the sunset provisions in it. Without Barr many of the laws would continue forever, or would never require a revote.
So Yes he did vote for the final version in committee, but it already was going to be law and helped to weaken the final bill. Yes- if he did not accept the position on the compromise committee he would have been able to say he had orginally voted no, however that would have did nothing to weaken the bill or change what already had been passed.
They did
The LP was directly responsible for ousting Barr and they feel he has come around enough to nominate him. Why would he lobby for them to overturn his own legislation?
Another thing, could the Patriot Act have been filibustered by Barr had he voted against it?
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Jeff, you have to, for the good of us all.....believe that a man can change. Some of us did. If we do not support everyone who is delivering our message we are hurting ourselves. He's not going to win anyway. It's just another voice saying the right things.
"The wicked flee when no man pursueth, but the righteous are as bold as a lion."
Growing the Movement...
Unlike some Republicans who have come to criticize President Bush on the Iraq war only since the 2006 midterm election, Barr has been a constant critic of the president in the face of strident party loyalty.
The American Civil Liberties Union calls the former Republican a 'friend.' Last year, Barr joined Democrats trying to roll back Patriot Act provisions. Currently, he is lobbying for the Marijuana Policy Project.
He has been working hard to correct what he now sees as mistakes - and if the freedom movement is to grow, you have to allow those of us who have "seen the light" work along with you. I myself am one of them.
No
So, you mean to tell me in all his years in politics and in Washington, you believe he just finally 'saw the light' and came around?
Bullshit. You believe it if you want to, but I'd believe I'll be giving my support to someone who hasn't screwed the pooch at my expense.
A Gradual Progression...
Is how I would charactorize my awakening to the realities of the GOP, And its a journey I have seen Mr. Barr walk along with me - In 2004 he endorsed Michael Badnarik the Libertarian candidate due to "deep dissatisfaction" with Bush, and in 2006 he joined the Libertarian Party.
"I'll be giving my support
"I'll be giving my support to someone who hasn't screwed the pooch at my expense."
And who might that be? No one that I know of except Dr. Paul..
Voluntary Association + Mutual Cooperation + 110% Personal Responsibility = 100% Individual Liberty
I'll play.
Cite Chuck Baldwin's first vote that violates the Constitution. Cite his positions that are not supportive of maintaining the protections of our rights ensured by the Constitution.
How's that for starters? Besides....the GOP national convention hasn't happened yet. So...who knows who I'll be voting for at this point.
Constitution Party redundant and divisive
The Constitution Party says things like marriage with one man one woman, which is not even a federal government thing. Bob Barr has worked with gay libertarians and the marijuana policy project as part of quality control from his past positions. Chuck Baldwin would never address gays or marijuana activists. Not because he has no quality control, but because he is not a straight up libertarian on a lot of social issues. His strange combinations of positions aren't easily accessible to Americans unlike a straight up Libertarian.
Plus the CP is a Christian version of the Libertarian party which is completely redundant. I love Jesus and all but we don't need a new party for every religion to attach to liberty or the constitution. We might as well make a libertarian party for people with different skin, religion, eye color, favorite bands. ect. or just have one banner of freedom.
Barr, even with Ross Perot's campaign manager, may not get into the debates, let alone Baldwin. opening up the debates is the only thing we can do now. Division will set us back 4 decades of progress.
Actually CB has addressed
Actually CB has addressed marijuana policy, he said everything he needed to say although i thought he seemed less than enthused.
...and liberty that chooses sides is a false liberty. What i mean is in reference to having a different libertarian party for different creeds and such. You aren't entitled to rights because you are of a certain group of peoples. The only true liberty is the liberty that protects the rights of the individual. You can see the adverse of this at mybarackobamadotcom where every race is segregated. You simply cannot tailor liberty to any specific group without discrimination of another group.
IMO the only way either can get into the debates is if both get into the debates. Nader could be a factor too, we'll see.
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Well...
Since Mr. Baldwin has never held public office (which I view as a plus in his favor) we cant point to any votes in violation of the Constitution ( if theoretically he had been in office, I dont think he would ever vote unconstitutionally), the only problem I have with him is his relationship with the Moral Majority - he was the head of the florida chapter for a while....That being said, I support Mr. Baldwin, Mr. Barr, the good Dr. Paul and the Campaign for Liberty candidates.
Until the convention ends my heart and soul are with Ron Paul
but come the general election, I'll be pressing in a hole next to Bob Barr's name. We've fought a good fight and we should continue until the convention but after that it's time to consider the options and Bob Barr is the biggest name who can carry our message to the nation in the run for the white house.
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Ron Paul Rejects McCain, Tips Hat to Barr
Tipping his hat to his former colleague in Congress while rejecting calls to support John McCain--his party's presumptive nominee--Ron Paul had some nice words for LP presidential candidate Bob Barr in a recent interview. When talking to CNN host John Roberts, Paul stated that Barr represented the values of the Libertarian Party well.
"He's saying the things that he should be saying," Paul said. "He talks our language. So I do really believe that he can have a very positive effect in this campaign, and let the people know that limited government is a very, very important message and the people will have a chance, and that gives them--you know--everybody a choice in the matter."
Though far from an official endorsement, Paul once again highlighted the positive relationship between these two former colleagues. This relationship was also made clear in a recent American Spectator article written by J. Bradley Jansen. The former Paul legislative staffer, who was on staff during the time when Paul and Barr were both in Congress, stated that the two Congressional teams "always worked closely together."
"Sure, fellow Republicans Ron Paul and Bob Ney joined 'Butch' Otter who spoke eloquently against [the Patriot Act's] passage on the House floor and voted against the final passage, but none of them were on the Judiciary committee," says Jansen. "Thankfully, we had a former CIA agent and prosecutor on our side who knew the ins and outs and the ramifications of the proposals to fight for our privacy and civil liberties. He was our 'man on the inside' for us to share our proposals. Some of those proposals were adopted and became law."
Also at this year's CPAC, Barr was given the honor of introducing Paul, with what many said was one of the best speeches of the event.
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Contributer, Ron Paul and Bob Barr Campaigns
Barr has my support
and the support of my family. Though, I don't expect this forum to throw much support behind Barr because of his past record. Personally, I feel he is the closest chance at putting a libertarian-minded candidate in the White House. So, this is where I break with DailyPaul.
But then again, Walter Jones is a Ron Paul backed Congressman, but after reviewing his voting record I noticed many yes votes to big social spending bills (including the Farm Bill), going against Ron Paul...he has also voted with neo-cons repeatedly on almost every bill concerning iraq funding..if you comprare Jone's current platform to Barr's platform, you could make a good argument that Barr is definitely more lp/constitutionally positioned that Jones, who is a Paul endorsed candidate.
but hey, barr for president and jones for congress are the only decent choices I have, so both will have my vote..
Barr WILL NOT WIN, so who
Barr WILL NOT WIN, so who the F cares whether he's the real deal? What WOULD be the real deal is if the LP could get a hefty percentage of the vote, say 15%. Barr has admitted, that barring (no pun intended) a victory, he would consider a performance in the fall that is able to finally bring a choice to the people other than a Dem/GOP would be a grand success. And I think Ron Paul would agree. It takes time to change things. Maybe 15% and no win in the fall, but suddenly some legitimacy. Maybe 20% and beyond next cycle...that is what people who are pleading for unity behind Barr are looking at. So, fine, if you all want to spread the vote around amongst a bunch of people, writing in, staying home, voting for Obama to "hit bottom sooner", go ahead. I personally think Ron Paul has given plenty of clues as to his feelings on Barr, and they are not negative. I wouldn't care if everyone rallied behind Baldwin either, but Barr is starting WAY ahead in the things that can get him noticed and pull a higher percentage.
Have you lost your mind
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what the hell do you think we were doing these past two weeks emailing meetups to remind them to go be delegates, was I wasting my damn time so you could post shit like this on here? Did I just blow $500 on www.dvds4delegates.com so you could just try and make me waste my time and money by slewing Bob Barr on this site. I hate to be frank but get this shit off of here. This is bullshit. What have you done to get Ron Paul elected that is what I want to know, list what you have done. Did you canvass, did you sit at your election place and freeze your ass off handing out Ron Paul literature, did you donate, did you email meetups these last two weeks? Now you come and try to steal the work we have all done by posting Bob Barr shit. What Have you done, tell us.
good for you but don't be such a baby
Great that you are doing the DVDs I would love to see it work, but the FACT is that most of the Republicans are NEOCONs who have been brainwashed and stooped to low levels to shut us out. They will not show a break in party unity and will ride McCain down in flames no matter what is on your DVD. They would not know Liberty at this point if you stuffed it up their nose. These are the same fools who mocked Ron Paul calling him every name you can think of. Saying he was a racist, 911 truther, kook etc etc.... I was a delegate for my state and the party shit on the democratic process and tried to convince us that we should support McCain. Why can'ssomeone support Ron Paul and Bob Barr and the Campaign for Liberty?
If you wait until Sept. and then reality slaps you in the face our voice will not be in the National Debate. Barr is the only one who stands a chance of taking this message to the national debate.
Dr. Paul has Bob Barr on the 1st page of his myspace account why are you shitting on fellow Liberty lovers? Dr. Paul stopped his campaign for the presidency so the Liberty movement could continue. If Ron got the nomination by a act of God do you think anyone including Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin would vote for someone other than him? Barr would not have run had Ron went 3rd party and will endorse him if your plan works. But... if your plan don't work then our voice is gone from the national debate.
Stop bitching at fellow liberty lovers who are working on our back up plan.
Ron Paul tells me he is not running for president anymore. Bob Barr said he is and he is saying most of the same things Ron Paul says so what is your problem?
Ron Paul is still running
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he asked delegates to still show up. I spent a ton on Ron Pauls campaign not to mention countless hours. We don't need someone slinging someone else's name on here, I did not do this for Bob Barr to get elected, I do not trust him. You think I am gonna go quietly while someone else is trying to hand my torch over to someone I do not support? Hell no!! Especially someone who may have done nothing but type on daily paul which is quite possibly what the poster of this thread may have only done. If you sweated and gave to Ron Paul, I would gladly take your opinion on a candidate. If you have done nothing, I say keep your mouth shut about anyone other than Ron Paul. You were a state delegate so I respect your opinion, but respect the people still working for Ron Paul and keep this shit off of here. That is all I have to say.
I'll probably vote for him,
I'll probably vote for him, unless Ron Paul is on the ballot... but I'm not going to donate my money, time, or energy.... he's just a name on a ballot so I have the option to vote for someone.... he's not a viable candidate really, and I'm not sure I'd even want him in office, since I don't entirely trust him...
I know he couldn't have changed his positions or whatever for political gain.... I mean, he did join the Libertarian party. If you were seeking political gain, why would you join the Libertarian party and just be marginalized? It doesn't seem like much of a gain.
Still..... I'm just not as enthusiastic about Bob Barr to really give it my all for him... he doesn't get me excited like Ron Paul does.... he doesn't have that spark/fire...
Support Bob Barr 2008
In late June 2008, Ron Paul was interviewed by Wolf Blitzer on CNN News and was asked what he thought of Bob Barr. Here is Ron Paul's reply:
"Well I think he's running a very important race, and I'm encouraging him. I haven't endorsed him, but he's saying the kind of things I like to be heard and said. I hope he does real well. But, we also have Chuck Baldwin who runs on the Constitutional Party. His views are very very close to mine, and he worked very hard in my campaign. So for me to pick one over the other is not easy. I hope they both together get a lot of votes."
On June 12, 2008 on CNN News, Congressman Paul was interviewed by Reporter John Roberts: Congressman, what do you think of Bob Barr? Does he faithfully represent the values of the Libertarian Party?
Ron Paul: I think so. It doesn’t mean that you can look at his voting record like you look at mine and say there was never any infraction. That doesn’t mean that he can’t represent these values. He’s saying the things he should be saying. He’s joined the Libertarian Party and he presents these views and he talks our language. So I do really believe that he can have a very positive effect in this campaign and let the people know that limited government is a very, very important message and that people will have a chance. That gives everybody a choice in the matter.
You can see the video here: http://politicalticker.bl...
If Bob Barr is good enough for Ron Paul to encourage him, he is good enough for me to encourage, also. If Ron Paul was going to be on the General Election ballot, I would vote for him. Since he is not, I will gladly vote for Bob Barr. Compared to Obama and McCain, Bob Barr is much preferable.
If Ron Paul thinks that Bob Barr has changed his views for the better and is encouraging Bob Barr's campaign, why should we try to put Barr down and oppose his campaign? Haven't all of us become more libertarian over time? Bob Barr has, too, and is standing up to Obama and McCain. I supported Ron Paul as far as he could go in the Republican nomination race. Now is the time to encourage Bob Barr like Ron Paul told Wolf Blitzer that he is doing. See www.bobbarr2008.com
Go Bob Barr!
George Whitfield
Organizer, Seoul Ron Paul and Bob Barr Meetup Groups
wOw
I leave for a few weeks and this place has not changed a bit. We still have those among us who think this is the Daily Barr for some reason. Then they attack those of us here who are still fighting for Ron Paul. When asked to calm down and go to a pro-Barr website they become irrate with anger. Lashing out with the grinding of teeth at those who want to have their freedom of choice exercised. If you dont vote for Barr you are worthless. Really? Then why on his website does he direct you Barr supporters to come and bring us to his heel? For that very fact that he wants you to come after us shows me that this guy is just another pawn. Hell even Obama and McCain will not tell their supporters to attack another canidates supporters publicly.
Wow 6 weeks!
Us "Barr" supporters have been on the Daily Paul 43 weeks longer than you have so I think you are the pawn and have no business telling anyone what they should be posting. I have been here long before Barr's site was even on the web.
You got to get off the "Ron Paul fan club" tip and get with the Campaign for Liberty and all of its facets of it. Bob is just another voice for Liberty and so is Chuck Baldwin can't you deal with that? Can't they run for president too? Can't they love Liberty? I will take either one over McSame or the Obamanation.
In case you missed Dr. Paul IS NO LONGER CAMPAIGNING FOR THE PRESIDENCY these guys are and they say the same things Ron Paul says sooooo....... I would love to vote for Ron in the general election and I just might write him in, but Bob Barr can get in the national debate and beat McCain and Obama with the Liberty Stick so I am pushing for him now. Barr is not perfect and in fact he is kind of dick (no Mr. Nice Guy like Ron Paul) so I would love to see him HAMMER the 2party turds and he would hold no punches back.
What do you want to do? Stand outside the McCain / Obama debate with a Ron Paul R3volution sign in the rain while Dr. Paul is watching it on Fox news and Barr(who could be in the debate with your help) is standing in the parking lot with a megaphone in the free speech zone with Alex Jones talking about Iran?
The guy is at 6% his is just a few steps from getting in the debates give him a boost. If by some act of God Ron Paul ends up there rather than McCain I would support him and so would Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin.
Amen Jwerner
Yep, most of the long time Daily Paul posters that have been here for along time are supporting Barr, I have been here for a year and know that spreading the message is what is truly important, not the man.
I know alot of people that are Pro Baldwin joined this site right after he was nominated by the CP and are here for his cause, and thats fine.
However, Dr. Paul said from the very beginning that he did not think he could win, it was about spreading the message. Why do you think he is having the big shindig during the Republican National Convention?
Answer: So the Media can get the message out.
So its about the message, and Barr is the only one that is getting our
message out right now to the American Public.
Few ?'s
Do you care or realize that Ron Paul has explicitly said that Barr is one of us in our fight for liberty?
Do you care about having a liberty minded candidate, who is supported by Ron Paul, in the debates and to help bring wide exposure to our core principles or would you rather have no one debating Mccain and Obama's big government views?
Do you realize you don't have to read and comment on any Barr or Baldwin threads since they don't explicitly talk about Dr. Paul?
Why trust Barr?
His voting record is horrible and now we should all believe that he is a changed man? He seems like a plant to water down the freedom movement and could never capture enough of the civil-libertarians on the left to win. Nader is the only candidate that can bridge the gap and unite this country like it should be. He also has polled at 10% in states like Michigan and is polling nationally at 6% to Barr's 3. So if you're a libertarian and truly want to end the war on drugs, shrink the military budget and get out of Iraq then vote for Nader because he has been consistently preaching these positions for years and years. I believe him more.
lol our supporters will not turn to nader
MAYBE 5% nader,
33% barr, 33% baldwin, 28% write in
Nadar? You have got to be kidding. Talk about big government!
Consider these words from George Washington, the Father of our Nation, in his farewell speech on September 19, 1796:
"It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Of all the dispositions and habits that lead to political prosperity..
Psy-ops
Short little blurbs with no truth in them from a typical snoop. Big government compared to what? What we have now? Shrinking the military budget, getting out of the middle east completely and ending the war on drugs is big government? If you truly want SMALLER government much smaller than the one we have now then you're going to have to realize that uniting with the civil-libertarians on the left is the only strategy that is going to get us smaller government. Mark my words, Obama's flock will bolt for Nader's campaign in droves over the next month. I guaratee Nader is up to at least 12-14 % nationally by mid August give or take a week. If you had the chance to knock the elite on it's ass by showing them that they cannot divide and conquer us anymore, you wouldn't take it? Until the ruling class is out of power, it doesn't really matter what any of our political philosophies are. They are meaningless. If we have to unite with the other side to break the stranglehold then let's do it and argue about our differences afterwards.
Nader?
Will he even be on the ballot? He could not even win the Green Party nomination this year........
There is no need to trust Barr
There is no way Barr will win, so there is no need to trust him.
The point of supporting him and voting for him is to support the spreading of the message of liberty. The only choices for promoting liberty are Barr, Baldwin or writing in Ron Paul. If we dilute our support and votes among all three it will not be nearly as effective (for the good of liberty) as if we would unite behind Barr.
Nader is about as unlibertarian as you can get. The man loves the idea of using BIG GOVERNMENT to solve social problems of all kinds.
"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."
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So......
when did promoting civil-liberties become as unlibertarian as you can get? That is a ridiculous statement. Baldwin talks about using sanctions and blockades on countries that are bringing in illegal drugs! That's not even close to libertarian. Barr's record stinks and is a divisive force in the LP. At least I can trust Nader on civil-liberties.
Are you serious?
I just checked out his website and he is for the following: National health care, adopting a carbon pollution tax, Repealing the Taft-Hartley anti-union law, and Adopting a Wall Street securities speculation tax ................Please don't insult my intelligence.
JUST IMAGINE....
Imagine a three way battle royal debate...Barr's non-interventionist foreign policy, limited government, and fiscal responsibility platform battling the two big government socialists...Lots of exposure for liberty since there would only be three candidates.. Barr butting heads with both Obama and Mccain on every issue...HUGE EXPOSURE OVER EVERY ISSUE.............
...or having no one in the debates and having two big government goons debate over who wants to be the leader of status quo...
No Thanks
I'm voting Chuck Baldwin 2008
Constitution Continues - Freedom Message Continues -
Non Intervention Foreign Policy Continues
www.baldwin08.com
unless of course RP sneaks in .... then I will have to vote Republican
see you in September!
Nope
He is an elitist tool.
I woke-up months ago and I can see the truth behind the lies.
Consider these words from George Washington, the Father of our Nation, in his farewell speech on September 19, 1796:
"It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Of all the dispositions and habits that lead to political prosperity..
Well wake up someone else too..
Now that your awake, please awake and inform Dr. Paul that Barr isn't one of us. He apparently missed the memo...
Dr. Paul is being polite to Barr but he isn't behind him.
They may vote together on a "few" things but I KNOW I will not support Barr.
I will support Baldwin, he has the guts to stand up to the tyranny, if you can't see that you need to wake up.
We don't want someone some of the time, we want someone all of the time, thats Chuck Baldwin. A man with faith and conviction to do what's right.
Why do you think he is being ignored? The media, tv and radio, won't talk about him. Why is that? The Constitution party is even bigger then the Libertarian party, yet they won't talk about him? **WAKE UP!**
Consider these words from George Washington, the Father of our Nation, in his farewell speech on September 19, 1796:
"It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Of all the dispositions and habits that lead to political prosperity..
I like Barr but I like
I like Barr but I like Baldwin better. Baldwin is more in line with Paul IMO.
It will be a tough one.
Davy C Rockett
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Barr Hater
Barr haters humor me. They don't care that Dr. Paul likes Barr and proclaims he is one of us in our fight for liberty. It doesn't support their argument so they just make the logical decision to ignore it. Why do they not think having a man of our similar principles is important in a debate where he would get HUGE recognition considering there are only three candidates and he would clashing with them at every turn. What could realistically be better?
No bob barr
Thanks for helping to spread the message. But if he's getting 10% and coverage from the media and Ron Paul could supposedly never get above 2% to 8% and no coverage then i'm inclined to believe it is because Barr is connected to the establishment. Welcome to the Obama clone for the psuedo-disenfranchised. But hey, coke is it right?
They are selling you another product.
I'm not buying.
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