Vincent Bugliosi at Impeachment Hearings 7/25/08
Posted July 25th, 2008 by Rhonda15
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We are not allowed to use the word impeachment for Bush's Impeachment Hearing so please disregard my title. Also ignore the crowd applauding the former prosecutor's words, that too is not allowed.
Bugliosi is the author of the best selling book, The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, but that book is being ignored by the MSM. ABC Radio refused to accept an advertisement for the book during the Don Imus show.
I guess they can't ignore this, or the 4,500 diggs this video got in 12 hours.
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That took courage, that was fucking awesome!
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Can this impeachment be considered real even if they are not allowed to say Bush and impeachment ? I think they may be not allowing bush and impeachment to be said to avoid the impeachment. Is this possable?
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Outrageous
It is outrageous that the "not impeachment" impeachment hearing turned into a circus at times. Nearly every panel member was pitching a book. It is outrageous in a "free" constitutional republic that any member of congress would infringe on the freedom of speech and expression of others. Telling audience members that any outburst of reaction is not allowed is a direct violation of the 1st amendment. Later in the "non impeachment" hearing audience members who had signs were told to leave, another outrageous violation of the 1st amendment. At the beginning of the "non impeachment" impeachment hearing, members of the panel were told not to directly accuse George W Bush of any crimes. They were also told not to use the term impeachment. Obviously another violation of the 1st amendment. Steve King needs to be removed from Congress immediately for violating people's bill of rights. Vincent Bugliosi is another new hero of mine. In my opinion he was the second star witness so to speak, right behind Bruce Fein.
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Did Bush ever say that Iraq was an imminent threat?
I don't recall him ever claiming that.
Anyone have a clip or transcript of the speech from Bush that Bugliosi says Bush said Iraq was an imminent threat?
I thought the invasion was supposed to be a preventative strike, rather than the response to an imminent threat.
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He doesn't say Iraq was an imminent threat. The news editorial is saying he is saying that, but that's not what he's saying. As a matter of fact he's saying the opposite. He's saying that it's not yet a threat. He says he wants the attack to prevent a threat from "emerging." He says, "If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late..."
Bush's justification to attack was to prevent an imminent threat from arising. This is the "Bush doctrine." It's not to attack nations that are imminent threats, but to attack nations that are not imminent threats in order to prevent them from becoming imminent threats. This is the doctrine that we, non-interventionists, and Dr. Paul opposes. But, this also means Buglioisi's case falls apart because it's based on a claim that Bush never made.
Bush said openly that the reason for the attack was preventative. This is what we should be rallying against, the Bush doctrine, for what it admittedly is: the policy of attacking nations that are admittedly not an imminent threat. Instead we're being drawn into this distraction of looking for conspiracies, and people trying to sell books and trying to advance their political careers.
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I would pay money to see a televised debate between you and Vincent Bugliosi. I'd enjoy watching him rip you and your weak-ass game a new orifice.
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I'd be afraid to give the old geezer a heart attack.
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Iraq called a threat to our Country
In his state of the union speech in 2003 he called Iraq a imminent threat.
These are Whitehouse Government news releases a transcript and a video tou can also get a audio version there and get it in Spanish. The quote you're looking for is almost at the end of the speech.
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Bugliosi is right,and George is wrong
Where?
Can you provide a quote?
He says Iraq is a "mounting threat," but I don't see him saying it's an imminent or immediate threat in that speech.
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Quote
From the horses mouth
"America will not accept a serious and mounting threat to our country, and our friends and our allies."
That's not saying Iraq is an imminent threat.
An imminent threat is not a mounting threat. An imminent threat is, as the term is used in in international law, an "instant, overwhelming, and leaving no choice of means, and no moment for deliberation."
That's clearly not what he was saying. The Bush Doctrine is not to attack nations that are an imminent threat. No one, that I'm aware of, is against attacking nations that are an imminent threat. The Bush Doctrine is to attack nations that he thinks will eventually become an imminent threat.
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Potatoe, potato
You say potatoe I say potato hell it means the same thing.The Bush doctrine is Hitleristic piece of crap.His Grandfather even financed the Nazi regime and George is a Adolf clone.
It doesn't mean the same thing.
If Bush wanted to attack Iraq because it was an imminent threat, that would be justifiable. What is bad about the Bush doctrine is that it advocates attacking nations that are not yet an imminent threat, but which are believed to be mounting toward being an eventual imminent threat. Bush never made any bones about attacking Iraq with full acknowledgement that it was not yet an imminent threat. This is why his foreign policy is attrocious.
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Agree
Well we finaly agree on something his foreign policy is the pits.His domestic policy is equaly attrocious.
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Great speech- HOWEVER
Great speech- I liked the information he brought up.
HOWEVER- I am SOOO sick and tired of our government reacting with the AMERICAN CITIZENS, a.k.a. The Bosses of this country- 'We The People,' being spoken to as if we are 'secondary.'
Such as their reaction when people began clapping in response to this speech. Excuse me??? I feel like we have the tail wagging the dog here! If I were in that room I'd clap all I want- don't speak to me as though I have no voice or opinion.
THAT would have pissed me off- BIG TIME!!!
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he is smart for doing it....
he is using the most conservative possible estimate so that they won't try to bash him from that angle...
he wanted to be absolutely as solid as possible in his case.
I glad he mentioned his book
But didn't it get a little petty with everyone suddenly wanting to plug their own books ? what is this Jay Leno or a serious meeting? And the iraqi's dead arenot 100,000 it's almost 1,300,000
I Saw
The book recognition as adding some validity to the speakers but also had a cheesiness to it.
Powerful words by VB but....
where does he get the 100,000 # from? It's my understanding the # of dead Iraqi civilians is closer to 1.2 million.
I think that's the number of
I think that's the number of displaced Iraqi's. The either homeless or vacated the country and gone to Syria.
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Keep bumping this guy, he's got the goods on the psychopathic Bush gang.
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For all of you who think that Bush will be pardoned by the next President........Do you REALLY think that President Ron Paul is going to let Bloody George off the hook? Ha!
Excellent Point
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Okay so, who's in Steve
Okay so, who's in Steve King's district and who is challenging his seat?!?!
Bruce Fein's testimony
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Mr. Fein will be at the Rally for the Republic BTW.
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Steve King comes across as a jerk.
Naaaa really??? lol
I haven't seen anything like that since Inhofe/Gore!
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OMG, I just watched the
Bugliosi "Weapons of Mass Destruction" portion (I watched live today but had to go somewhere and missed this part)...did you see Mr. King continually interrupt him? Vote King out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I watched the first part
I watched the first part with the testimony, but I missed the Q&A portion as well, because I had to go somewhere. Bugliosi just "called them out". He was no holds barred in their face... and I love it. Did you hear, I think it was King; he said something like... "please stop Mr. Bugliosi, I'm going to have an aneurism over here." Well, if the truth causes Mr. King to have a heart attack then so be it. If he’s going to bat for George Bush, then he’s an accomplice to murder. Bruce Fein did a great job as well.
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WOW!!
Amazing how disrespectful the congressmen are to him. No class.
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I met Vince in 1977-78 as he helped edit a book on conspiracy and coverup in the Robert Kennedy assassination. Even though he has been out front on the JFK case saying Oswald acted alone, he has quite a different view on the RFK case. That suggests he chooses his battles carefully, giving more credence to his statements here.
My favorite quote: "The RFK case makes Watergate look like a one-roach marijuana bust."
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Since it wasn't really allowed to set forth a detailed
impeachable charge, the first question by Lamar Smith to one of his chosen witnesses, as to whether or not he had heard an impeachable charge brought forth, was all the more disgusting. I recall meeting a much younger Lamar Smith at a Bexar county republican convention in 1980 and hearing him speak about binding the federal government with the chains of the constitution. It brings a wince to anyone remotely familiar with the principles of that instrument. The neocons have a long reach.
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Can somebody
find the second clip where he gets interrupted several times??
How About the Congress Members
themselves who keep quoting Kerry, Clinton, H. Clinton, Gore, Albright to excuse Bush's lies. All members of the CFR, by the way.
Unbelievable
Everything I read said this would happen and here we are. Unbelievable. I don't think the Bushs will be able to retire to sunny Paraguay afterall. This is the dawning of a new age.
The next president can pardon
Bush and all his men.
And if that president is Obama and he does use the pardon power, then the American people will see that it makes no difference what party is in power
One I suspect Obama will
One I suspect Obama will play it cool and simply not get involved. As you say, the political ramifications would be astronomical. Two, what congress should really do is amendment the actual constitution. The pardon power should be the condition that the executive cannot pardon the previous executive or officers of that president. How exactly that condition should be drawn up, I'm not sure. I mean there could be a case where having that power may be a good thing. Maybe the congress adds to the constitution a literal law. In other words, the 43rd president and officers in that administration cannot be pardoned by succeeding presidents.
Either way, if he does not get impeached, i am feeling more and more confident theyre going to get prosecuted for criminal acts, which would be so much cooler. The sad thing is impeaching Bush wouldn't really do anything. It would feel great as a social experience but you'd have Cheney next and assuming he goes to we get Pelosi. I guess that is still better then bush or cheney.
Wasn't Obama talking about a
Wasn't Obama talking about a "New World Order" just the other day during his trip to Europe? We already know what side he's on. McCain really is no different, either.
The Pelosi stance
I can see the next president saying "Lets put this all behind us, let us move forward with a new day lest we get mired in the eyes of the world as a nation scandalised by the proceedings a criminal case would present" or some bs. The truth is America will NEVER be respected by foe or ally until we bring those responsible for her decline to swift and sure justice. Any future president who pardons the crimes and high misdemeanors of the Bush administration will immediately alienate anyone with any moral compass at home or abroad.
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I have no doubt the next president
whether republican or democrat will say exactly what you said just before he issues a pardon. Just like Ford pardoned Nixon.
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