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The Disconnect Between Supply and Demand in Gold & Silver Markets

If you only read ONE article on gold (and, by default, silver) all year, READ THIS!

It is long (I apologize Michael) but this is the truth you will not hear on MSM.

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The Disconnect Between Supply and Demand in Gold & Silver Markets

(edited due to neoconned having kittens over its length--please click link and read entire article)

...The happiest fact of bullion bankers’ lives is that western markets are, with the exception of some fabrication and industrial demand, almost 90% paper based. The huge COMEX futures market almost never sees an ounce of real silver or gold ever change hands. It is all paper, shuffled back and forth. These paper markets are being flooded with paper based "claims" to alleged gold and silver, supposedly being held in big bank vaults in London and New York City. The market is overwhelmed with paper claims, and the big bullion banks (maybe, with the Federal Reserve providing the money?) are paying big bucks to secondary derivatives dealers to get them to lease this artificially created “gold and silver.” In a normal market, one who leases a thing of value must pay for it. But, now, derivatives dealers are being paid to lease both gold and silver. Then again, it may not be a thing of value, if it is fake…

But we don’t live in a world of free markets. Instead, we are living in an Orwellian 1984 double-speak world. Welcome to the world of Fed/PPT, where 2+2=5, blue is yellow, and black is white. All things are as they say they are, rather than as they really must be. Welcome to the world of a controlled business media, where the pundits will do anything and say everything to convince you to forget your math, and your eyesight. No, they tell you. It really isn’t so. What you’re seeing isn’t the way it is. Believe, instead, what we tell you. We can do it! We have special skills. There is a new world order. We can make 2+2=5. Just give us your money, and we’ll show you how!

But, let’s return to reality. Right now, virtually no North American precious metals dealer can give you a firm delivery date on large quantities of silver. They have no stock to sell. This means demand is robust. On Friday, as the COMEX gold price was collapsing, the U.S. Mint suspended gold bullion coin production because it cannot source enough gold bullion! That could not happen if bullion banks were selling claims to real physical metal into the marketplace. Indeed, the Mint began rationing silver bullion coins two months ago, when it started having trouble sourcing silver bullion. Word from the Perth Mint in Australia is that it is taking weeks or months to take physical delivery of gold and silver, even though investors are already supposed to own that metal. Supposedly, it is simply being kept in the Mint's vault for safe storage. But, it is getting harder to take it out of “storage”. Meanwhile, as previously stated, Indian gold and silver dealers, wholesalers and banks all have empty vaults. None of this can happen if demand is down, and supply is abundant.

We have a disconnect between reality markets and fantasy markets. The COMEX and London Metals Exchange are fantasy markets controlled by the big bullion banks. They must be engaged in market manipulation, because nothing can explain a big price collapse, in the midst of widespread shortages and robust demand. A group of big financial institutions, deeply enmeshed in the global trading system, and heavily involved in the gold and silver market, must be deliberately inducing temporary panic, for their own purposes. These malevolent characters will eventually be able to buy back their short positions at low prices, and, possibly, also, even collect a significant long position. The process is a continuing one, and hasn’t stopped yet. On Friday, for example, the subsidy for leasing gold and silver was raised to very high levels.

It is obvious what they are doing. More important, however, is why? What does it mean? Well, the PPT bank executives are generally “people in the know” about financial events, before they actually happen, sue to close relations with regulators like the Federal Reserve, and FDIC. They folks are so desperate to cover short positions, that they are willing to spend a billion or so dollars, subsidize precious metal leases, to collapse the market, and destroy investor confidence. But, why? We know that the Federal Reserve, like other central banks, sees gold as a rival to the dollar. But, that’s not enough, because they’ve never attacked precious metals with such ferocity as now, and, if the Fed were directly involved, they could probably supply real metal.

If something terrible is about to happen in the financial world, the losses that big banks would take on their precious metal short positions would put most of them into bankruptcy. Remember the words of Warren Buffett. Derivatives are the financial world’s weapons of mass destruction. Precious metals futures short positions are highly leveraged transactions that could cost hundreds of billions if the price of gold were to suddenly explode.

We can guess that the main players here are big powerful Wall Street and/or High Street investment banks who work closely with the Federal Reserve, the ECB, and the Bank of England. These people are privy to the information needed to carry out a massive manipulation as described above. No one else is. Since most of the collapse happens on the COMEX, we can assume that most of the manipulation is being done by New York based investment banks.

Wall Street’s investment banks control most of the world's gold and silver markets. They are also entrenched in the overall mesh of all financial markets. Making matters worse, because of the 1987 President’s Executive Order on Working Markets, they are authorized to work together, and in conjunction with the U.S. Treasury and the Federal Reserve, to manipulate markets without fear of criminal prosecution. They know exactly where the stop-loss orders are, and how much flooding of paper claims for gold and silver would be needed to trigger them. They are, therefore, perfectly positioned to carry out the nefarious scheme I have outlines. The ultimate aim, of course, would be to destroy investor confidence, by collapsing the price for a few weeks. This would allow them to unload their own exposure at a very low cost, while the majority of market participants are temporarily shell-shocked, and in retreat.

As noted above, they are not using real gold or silver to do this. That implies that this particular attack on gold was not authorized by the Federal Reserve. They’ve never had any real silver and have used paper claims for years to manipulate that market. But, gold has often been supplied out of the U.S. hoards at Fort Knox, West Point, or the NY Fed. I suspect all three have had their gold hoard so heavily loaned and swapped out, that there is little or no physical gold left to play with. That’s why the Federal Reserve has been pushing for the IMF gold sales. The vaults are probably already filled with IOUs from the likes of Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, etc. Perhaps, that is why the Treasury Department lists total U.S. gold holdings as "gold and gold swaps", and refuses to disclose details how much consists of real gold and how much consists of swap IOUs (loaned out gold). But, anyway, the lack of physical gold probably implies that the Federal Reserve is not involved directly, because they probably still have enough to flood the market for a week or two.

But, it’s not cheap to manipulate markets. It will probably cost over a billion dollars to subsidize the negative lease rates. The only logical reason to spend such a huge amount of money, is if you are going to get an even bigger benefit from doing so. They must be very worried about losing far more. Once again, that implies that some VERY bad economic news is about to be released. Skeptical? How much worse can the economy get? It can get much worse! So, what’s in store? A series of huge bank failures, maybe? IndyMac collapsed two weeks ago. Are we going to see the collapse of Washington Mutual (WM)? National City Bank (NCC)? Someone else?

I don’t know. But, I do know this. The FDIC will not have enough cash to make good on its insurance pledges, if they fail. The FDIC only has $37 billion left in its trust fund, after paying off IndyMac depositors. Between its two major divisions, WaMu has total deposits of about $204 billion. National City has about $101 billion. Could FDIC turn to the Federal Reserve for a quick loan? Not a chance! The Fed has its own problems. It has already polluted its balance sheet with some $450 billion in low value and absolutely worthless mortgage paper that its client banks wanted to get rid of.

Depositors might wait months for their money, while Congress is petitioned to approve the sale of more Treasury bills. This delay would be likely to cause other depositors to make a run on other banks, creating a domino effect. Then, more banks might fail. More bank failures will require yet more dollars, and cause more delays in making depositors whole. At the very least, the sudden issuance of $300 billion new dollars would stimulate massive inflation. Under such circumstances, gold could be expected to explode to the $2 - $3,000 per troy ounce range, within a matter of a few weeks or months.

Update: I just found out that Kitco, one of the biggest precious metals dealers in North America, just posted the following notice:

IMPORTANT NEW NOTICE: Due to market volatility and higher demand in the entire industry, we are anticipating delays in supply of all bullion products. Please note that you can continue to place orders and prices will be guaranteed; however, cancellation fees will still be applicable regardless of the length of the delay. Consequently once inventory is received there may also be delays in processing and shipping by our vaults. (italicized emphasis added)

Sounds like a severe shortage to me, when someone will take your money, and then, even if it takes two years to deliver, and you cancel, they force you to pay a penalty!

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logic

Dump your mining stock, who in their right mind if they are holding silver and gold would want more produced.
grant

No Lisa, there is no disconnect

Because Jon "Shill for Wall Street, I hate gold but pretend to be for it" Nadler of Kitco has said so.

Is it just me, or does EVERYTHING this bastard writes and posts on his supposedly pro-gold website sound as if it could have been written by the folks at the Fed and the IMF? His anti-gold (and anti-freedom) bias comes through in all the crap I have ever seen him write. And the SOB will not even allow emails back to him through his website.

No, it's not just you and many others have noticed too.

Kitco gives a lot away about itself by promoting his writing.

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Yes, and also by their

Yes, and also by their ludicrous posted warning on their website, to the effect that: "We may never be able to fulfill your physical order, but if you cancel it, ever, we will charge you a cancellation fee." The arrogance! But just what one would expect from those in bed with the political and financial establishment.

Ramen.

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Yeah,

that they don't have any metal. If you owned a company, would you let one of your employees tell your customers the following?

Customers who understand the above, and who wish to buy the products that are slow in coming, should not hesitate to place orders and lock in prices (if they like the current levels) and simply and patiently wait for their bullion dealer to receive their coins and to ship same to them. Of course, if they simply cannot or will not wait, bullion dealers can offer them alternatives which are currently in stock. Shop around. You do not have to start with Kitco.

Happy Trading.

Jon Nadler
Senior Analyst
Kitco Bullion Dealers Montreal

Stop it e_!

You're channeling akak.

Be careful.

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Nah,

plenty of hatred for jon nadler to go around. He's the Baghdad Bob of the paper markets, after all.

LOL! Nadler, what a neocon scrotum!

The "Baghdad Bob" of the paper markets! That's gold! Priceless! (no precious metals puns intended).

Great akak.

I used to like scrotums.

Now you've ruined them for me.

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BTW, Lisa, picked about 20

BTW, Lisa, picked about 20 more pounds of wild strawberries today, with help from a friend --- a goldminer, as it happened, whose parents are originally from "down under." He berates me for my pronunciation of "Aussie" as it I say it as God intended : "AW -see".

Yes, it's how the FSM might have intended it but

these wackos say it with a "z" and laugh at Yankees who use an "s".

Ignore them and their crazy Olympic chants of "Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, Oi, Oi, Oi".

Berries, yum.

You are so lucky to hang out with a gold miner. I had a drink in Taos once with a silver miner. He had a big gray beard and looked like a cartoon character.

That's a lot of fruit.

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Actually, this guy looks

Actually, this guy looks very much like me (aside from my shaved head, not apparent while wearing the ubiquitous ball cap), and people always take us for brothers. I will probably be working for him after next summer, when I will be wrapping up my current business.

"akak, the gold miner, and the bear dog."

Now, if that's not a best seller, I don't know what is.

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Perhaps it will be the seed

Perhaps it will be the seed for a future book? It would not be too much different from the wierd and crazy lives of half of those who live up here in Alaska, though.

Nighty night, folks --- my pizza is here.

NIght bud.

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He was my favorite enemy.

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We have a historical example of this same

situation. 10% real gold, 90% Fiat Gold. It involves hoarding, when people obtain and HOLD Gold. This is another way to manipulate the market, whether the manipulation is knowingly done or unintentional.

Unfortunately, we can't really see what the price of gold did during this previous time, the price was fixed by decree. But we can look at what silver did.

http://www.kitco.com/scri...

Unsustainable Inflation begets Deflation:

"Another explanation comes from the Austrian School of economics. Austrian theorists who wrote about the Depression include Hayek and Murray Rothbard, who wrote America's Great Depression in 1963. In their view, the key cause of the Depression was the expansion of the money supply in the 1920s that led to an unsustainable credit-driven boom. In their view, the Federal Reserve, which was created in 1913, shoulders much of the blame.

In fact, Hayek, writing for the Austrian Institute of Economic Research Report in February 1929[16] predicted the economic downturn, stating that "the boom will collapse within the next few months."

Ludwig von Mises also expected this financial catastrophe, and is quoted as stating "A great crash is coming, and I don't want my name in any way connected with it,"[17] when he turned down an important job at the Kreditanstalt Bank in early 1929.

One reason for the monetary inflation was to help Great Britain, which, in the 1920s, was struggling with its plans to return to the gold standard at pre-war (World War I) parity. Returning to the gold standard at this rate meant that the British economy was facing deflationary pressure.[18] According to Rothbard, the lack of price flexibility in Britain meant that unemployment shot up, and the American government was asked to help. The United States was receiving a net inflow of gold, and inflated further in order to help Britain return to the gold standard. Montagu Norman, head of the Bank of England, had an especially good relationship with Benjamin Strong, the de facto head of the Federal Reserve. Norman pressured the heads of the central banks of France and Germany to inflate as well, but unlike Strong, they refused.[18] Rothbard says American inflation was meant to allow Britain to inflate as well, because under the gold standard, Britain could not inflate on its own.

In the Austrian view it was this inflation of the money supply that led to an unsustainable boom in both asset prices (stocks and bonds) and capital goods. By the time the Fed belatedly tightened in 1928, it was far too late and, in the Austrian view, a depression was inevitable.

The artificial interference in the economy was a disaster prior to the Depression, and government efforts to prop up the economy after the crash of 1929 only made things worse. According to Rothbard, government intervention delayed the market's adjustment and made the road to complete recovery more difficult.[19]

Furthermore, Rothbard criticizes Milton Friedman's assertion that the central bank FAILED TO INFLATE the supply of money. Rothbard asserts that the Federal Reserve bought $1.1 billion of government securities from February to July 1932, raising its total holding to $1.8 billion. Total bank reserves rose by only $212 million, but Rothbard argues that this was because the American populace LOST FAITH IN THE BANKING SYSTEM and began HOARDING MORE CASH, a factor quite BEYOND THE CONTROL of the Central Bank. The potential for a run on the banks caused local bankers to be more conservative in lending out their reserves, and this, Rothbard argues, was the cause of the Federal Reserve's INABILITY TO INFLATE.[20]" (EMPHASIS ADDED)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...

And PS

if you read this and really think about it, you can see there IS a reason here that the FED may have wanted to increase the price of Gold, and the sale of, Gold. And why for this same reason, they would stop selling as prices drop. And its not a far fetched reason or Nefarious.

Thanks for your opinion.

I don't agree with your conclusions but that's what makes the world go round.

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I can certainly see

how you'd disagree, that's the Mainstream though.

But consider, the Great Depression went exactly like this:

Inflation led to
Wildly Booming Stock Market led to
Stock Market Collapse led to
Real Estate Collapse led to
Commodities Collapse led to
Deflation

Inflation begets Deflation

The mainstream believes that naked shorting, Comex rigging,

money printing, and central bank selling are partly to blame for what we're seeing in gold and silver???

Wow, the mainstream have gotten really smart.

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Lisa...

I do believe that there is a Silver shortage, and the selling you have seen on sites such as Kitco are the folks that bought into the paper trading, granted they have made money, but those that actually have physical possession of silver will be the ones with wealth when the dollar does take the dive and collapses between the first and second quarter of 2009. The increase in the dollar is fake, we all know the central bankers are involved, and idiots that have been selling their euros and exchanging them for dollars just on a couple of articles that were recently written up regarding Europe's housing demise will soon wish they had invested in real money such as gold, silver, or oil. The US is not even 1/4 of a percent near the bottom of their housing/economic problems yet. Believe me, I am living it in the good old USA, but the news, the Federal Reserve, the Banks, Top economic advisors, or the White House will admit to this.

It is mainstream

to see inflation or hyperinflation as real threats, and deflation as near impossible. One whom believes that Inflation-Hyperinflation likely is holding Gold or silver. One whom sees Deflation IS likely holds cash.

It's mainstream to hold gold and silver???

Nobody I know outside of Daily Paul owns it and the shoeshine boy hasn't given me an investment tip, so I don't think it's overly mainstream just yet.

Also, you sure do assume quite a bit in your post there Redneck.

Who says I don't have cash?

You don't know what I see coming or how I have myself positioned so please refrain from your continued assuming.

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Any shortages that do exist

are in the small denominations. This strongly suggest the little guy is buying.

I'm not assuming. I've been on this board just as long as you have and I've read enough of your post to know your general ideas on the matter. Doesn't take much searching to find it either.

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

"Guess the quadrillion dollar derivative market that's showing cracks of failing is fear mongering propaganda too. So to, the falling dollar and the crashing real estate market.

Take a minute and have a look at a 5-year rhodium chart and you'll see exactly what's going to happen with silver."

You're first paragraph is a cause of deflation, derivative markets failing, crashing real estate.

I'd have to agree with you on the silver chart looking like the 5 year rhodium chart though. But you made this statement on June 23, the very day that rhodium topped out. You were actually implying that silver was going to increase dramatically. Now look at rhodium today, down 50% from the day you made the post.

http://www.kitco.com/char...

Both silver AND cash?

I have never found you sexier than I do right now.

Then you should see what I'm wearing.

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Or not wearing, perhaps?

Or not wearing, perhaps? (whichever the case may be).

Um, no.

I'm wearing sweats and my painting shirt.

The Mister said I looked cute.

Cute?

Whatever.

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Investor, realtor, wife,

Investor, realtor, wife, blogger, Church of Akak acolyte, and ..... painter? What a renaissance woman you must be!

AND, last night

I cooked a nice meal and baked a cake.

Plus I just had an order of wine delivered.

Except for the PMS, I'm quite the catch.

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Are you talking about the price of gold during the great

depression? Actually, I did a study on the subject before. And it was very interesting.

I'd love to hear

what you discovered...

Actually, I was writing it, but I've decided not to post because

some people here don't deserve the info. I wanted to give you the info, though. It's actually really good info, but I trust that you will do well one way or another.

I'm pretty much done with Daily Paul. I really don't like some people's you are not Ron Paul supporter unless you agree with me type attitude. They offer no freedom.

No, your socialism offers no freedom.

Don't let the pixels hit you on the @ss on the way out.

Bye.

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SIERRAHPBT wrote, " no I am not buying ..."

SIERRAHPBT write in this thread,
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
" no I am not buying .. my business is down do to the economy I am breaking even in a depressed housing market."

And, resident socialist, what is your point?

His cash is down so he's not buying right now. So what?

As I understand it, you're in a similar position.

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Forensic Trading

One more time...

When I share with other Daily Paul members about the importance of chart reading vs fundamentals, I get more flaming than rational give and take.

And just like trying to explain things to someone who speaks a foreign language it's frustrating to hear of losses that could have been avoided. People chant "Fundamentals! Fundamentals! Look at the fundamentals!"
To that I say the proof is in the current pudding.

I have nothing to gain by opposing others here. My short futures positions in metals were executed in mid July when everyone was so sure the next break to the upside was coming in metals.

So what's the solution?
I call it "Forensic Trading".

I don't know what's going to happen in terms of delivery of metals. But I do know that market manipulators participate in almost every market - stocks, commodities, bonds, indexes and currencies.

I've learned alot in just one week being back here. It never mattered to me to have such intimate knowledge of silver and gold. But Lisa C. - SIERRA and others have pulled together an in-depth crash course of articles and experiences.

Like every major market move, the 'story' always comes out after the damage has been sustained by people who believed the stale fundamentals.

Charts don't scream. They don't hype or get in your face. They just tell the truth quietly. It's like the evidence at a crime scene. You have to look for it.

Yes there are people who have made fortunes by looking forward and studying fundamentals. They didn't get their information from CNBC. Far more people have lost fortunes listening to and acting on stale fundamentals.

Only a well-trained, chart reading, eye can predict what the market manipulators are up to next.

The bad news is that I have not found one 'expert' who knows how to put it all together and act on it. I have had to pull together information from different sources and figure out how to read it.

The other day I stated on a thread that I never put on a losing trade. Never. And it's true. Boy did I get flamed. I took the thread down.

So here's a place to start for those who are sincerely interested.
World's Greatest Business
http://www.gbemembers.com...
TradeGuider
http://www.tradeguider.co...
http://www.youtube.com/Tr...

Now this last part is how it all got tied together.

I can't take credit for it. As much as I would like to.

I can only take credit for staying with it.

On March 8, 2006, at 3:00 am, God woke me up.

After an hour of trying to figure out what He was trying to tell me I gave up. I sat down and just stared at a paper trading chart like the ones I print out at the end of everyday. And suddenly I saw something I had never seen in 11 years of trading. It was then that I realized that I had only gotten bits and pieces from all the courses I had studied over the years.

But God.... gave me an ability to 'see' that I did not previously possess.
The bible says, "I will guide thee with mine eye". Psalm 32 v 8,9.

I never knew what that meant. It always sounded weird, like something got lost in the interpretation of the original manuscript.

I've since learned that it means God will help me to see things they way He does. Like a fusion or a common vision.

Good luck.

"Committed To The Eradication Of Poverty Among Patriots"

If trading works for you and you can help those who

want to trade, good for you. I mean that sincerely.

I don't advocate trading in and out of your physical gold/silver position, however. That is just my opinion. Each one of us has to decide for ourselves in the end.
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Not a word about trading physical gold...

It's about learning to profit, no matter the economy.

Nothing kills a movement like weakness in the area of maintaining a solvent and prosperous level of living.

This morning I used USD's to buy silver slugs. I didn't need them. I just wanted to have them for the future. My short positions in futures afforded me the funds to buy the hard assets.

That's all I'm saying.

Our "Freedom" movement is populated largely (I didn't say all) by people who are not living free. Will the masses want to follow us?

Let me break it down...This morning before noon, the S&P 500 gave me a profit of $1,000 per contract.

How would people's lives be different if they could wake-up. Put on a bathrobe. Have a cup of coffee (organic of course). Turn on their computer. Click their mouse a few times. Read the news. Read the Daily Paul. And cash out before lunch? $1,000. Monday morning.

How many could take the rest of the week off?

What if they traded
2 contracts = $2,000
10 contracts = $10,000
50 contracts = $50,000

90 MINUTES!

Get it????

Let me share something please.

In April I identified a local patriot who had the fire. He was hamstrung by his job. He wanted to do more for the movement. I paid him cash weekly replacing his weekly income.
He was able to quit his job.
Go to freedom seminars.
Organize patriot activities.
Travel.

He kept asking me what I wanted him to do for his salary. I told him I needed him to restore his driver's license.
You need an ID to trade.
He wanted to learn.
I needed a driver (vehicle to be supplied by me).

Guess what?

90 days go by. No license. I terminated our arrangement.

He told me he was $20 away from starving??!! Go figure.

He taught me something.

This movement has work to do at the personal level.

Anyone can learn to do what I do.

Anyone could position themselves financially to acquire all the survival commodities they will need to sustain their families.

"Committed To The Eradication Of Poverty Among Patriots"

No argument from me.

I retired at 30.

I'm too lazy to trade and I probably don't have the right personality. If others wish to seek you out for advice I hope you can help them like you say.

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It is a mistake to try to

It is a mistake to try to explain any rise or fall of the fiat prices of gold or silver in linear terms of what is called the supply and demand equilibrium, there is simply no meaningful, or for that matter scientific way of describing the speculative supply or demand of what was once known as monetary commodities, of which still hold sway over economic factors in the fiat world.

Remember, speculators can swing back and forth between the sides of either supply or demand at any time, particularly if there are certain fundamentals that lend to a specific determination of value of such monetary commodities as gold and silver.

It is also important to understand that within these highly manipulated markets, there are market makers, powerful interests which are determined to twist the markets to their benefit, most times outside what would generally be considered actual market forces that would naturally occur in a free market. The regime of irredeemable currency, we must remember that fiat currency is a real promise to pay without the real power to make such a payment, except as a medium of exchange. Thus, in such markets, which are highly manipulated and distorted by the very fact that fiat currency is used in the trade of such monetary commodities, the prices can be very deceiving. It should therefore be evident that if anyone is looking to reap some grand rewards in terms of fiat currency through the trade of either gold or silver is barking up the wrong tree. The security of both gold and silver operate more as non-investment instruments in a fiat economy, protecting a certain value of wealth, not in fiat monetary terms, but as stores of wealth held against inflationary pressures inherent in the fiat monetary system.

By the way, good article...

Thanks Republicae.

I'm not sure why the mention of trading gold since It wasn't mentioned in the article and we've always spoke of it here in non-investment terms.

Also, the weakness in this system is physical. Paper can be exchanged Ad infinitum however if owners begin to request delivery, the warehouses have to "put up" or admit there is nothing left. That will send a clear and powerful signal that the game is up.

Your post doesn't mention the shorting or the continued deception by Morgan Stanley in their pool accounts. Just out of curiosity, did you read the entire article or only the post?

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Lisa, I did read the

Lisa, I did read the article, but since I was late getting home, ready for bed, I didn't really have the time to go into every aspect. However, in terms of gold, it operates in a similar way in a non-linear market as silver. Concern short positioning I will mention that a bit later in a slightly more involved post.

Thanks,
Republicae

an important article, Lisa.

Thank you.

No, e_, thank you.

Please read redneck's comments below and feel free to respond. I think he's looking for help.

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From what I can gather

it seems like he has been reading John Nadler; and I find it tiresome to try to debate that "logic."

Thanks, so much

Lisa. Very powerful article. Do you think they will continue to push gold down in the next few weeks? Would it be worth it to go for say gold collector coins? I was wondering has anything like this happened in history? Could we be repeating something that may have occurred before that way we could know what the outcome is ahead of time. Peace Patriots

India is having its Independence Day festivities, quilts,

and the markets have been closed there. Since they are such a big buyer, when they are closed, it's easier to smack gold around.

There are collector coins, like the British Sovereign, that you can buy with a low premium and are easily convertible but, honestly, collectibles are not my interest so I can't give you any more information than that. I buy "uncirculated" bullion, junk silver, and large bars. I want the most metal for my money so I generally stay away from collectibles. My advice would be to start with junk silver or bullion and maybe have a gold coin for every 20 ounces of silver. Please only buy if you feel comfortable doing so. A couple of us are being blamed for others buying and having "buyers remorse".

Buying metal is like riding a roller coaster, however, when you look at what's coming globally, it's a ride I'm willing to take.

Peace.

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